Host: Welcome to the Lifelong Wellness podcast, where we talk to wellness professionals from around the world, sharing their in insights into living healthier. I'm your host, Wes Malik. Today’s guest is former attorney, author, and life choreographer, Laura Cheadle, who’s a transformational thought leader and media personality who empowers women to stand up, be seen, and gracefully take control of their success and happiness. Creator of FLAUNT! Find Your Sparkle Coaching programs, workshops and destination retreat she’s worked with women worldwide to reveal their smart, sexy and spiritual selves in all that they do so they can fall deeply in love with themselves and passionately enjoy the lives they work so hard to create. Teaching fitness in one form or another since 1988, let's welcome Laura Cheadle to our podcast. Laura, welcome to the Lifelong Wellness podcast. How are you doing today?
Laura: I'm doing great, thank you so much for having me on.
Host: Alright. So tell us about your program, FLAUNT! It sounds fun, it sounds very energetic. It sounds very unique. What is it all about?
Laura: Oh, it is a lot of fun. It’s a five-step process that people can use every day. And when they use that five-step process, it helps them reclaim their vitality that helps identify who they are inside. So they can value themselves for who they are right now, as opposed to who they think they should be, which I know is a trap that a lot of us fall into.
Host: It is.
Laura: Yes, it is.
Host: And what are those five steps in FLAUNT!?
Laura: Yes, absolutely. FLAUNT! is an acronym. It stands for “F”, “Find your Fetish”, which is finding that thing that really lights you up.
Laura: “L”, yes, “Laugh Out Loud”. (laughing) Remembering that life is hard and heavy and difficult for all of us and finding those moments of laughter is key. “AU” is for “Accept Unconditionally”, both yourself in where you’re at at the moment and other people and who they are at right now. “N” is for “Navigate the Negative”, and “T” is for “Trusting Your Truth”.
Host: Oh, that’s wonderful. The middle part, the “AU”, sounds very difficult because we’re always striving to be someone else, maybe a better version of ourselves. And it can be hard to sometimes look at yourself in the mirror and say, you know, I accept what I am or who I am like this.
Laura: Yes, and I’m glad you put it that way because we all…There are so many things that we all want to strive to get better at. But when we lie to ourselves and pretend that we’re somewhere where we’re not, we really stand no chance of getting better. You know, whether it’s an athletic endeavor in our life where, “Yes, I want to do this”, but we pretend that we’re stronger than we are, well then we get hurt and then we never really build the strength to do it. So, yes, very difficult but very important to be honest with ourselves so we can grow.
Host: So, let’s go through the five steps one by one, and if you could, you know, go through how we can, for example, find our fetish. Do we have to think long and hard? Is it a process of exploration?
Laura: You know, yes, it is a process of exploration but for most of us, most of us have a memory of being a kid and playing. And kids play for the sake of play.
Laura: They do it because it’s fun. Yes. They don’t do it to get better at something or to impress somebody else.
Laura: So, if we can think back on how we thought when we played and what were some of the things we enjoyed, then we can start exploring as an adult and finding out, “Oh, I do love running around and kicking a ball” or “I do love creating and painting and doing arts & crafty things”. We have to give our self the opportunity to try and be okay with things, “I used to really love swinging around on the bars but not so much anymore”. And then we can discover what lights us up today.
Host: That is great advice. I grew up loving riding a bicycle. I'd be out in the neighborhood every single day. You know, even early Saturday morning when cartoons would be on and it would only be on Saturday mornings, remember those?
Host: I'd be out riding a bike and I recently rediscovered that several years ago, because I didn’t have a bike in between for the last 10, 15 years and it's really fun. You really are reminded of your childhood if you do something that you love from your childhood, yes.
Laura: Oh, absolutely! You know for me I love those bars on the playground.
Host: Yes. Monkey bars.
Laura: Just like there was a three-one. The middle, the high and the low bar and you’d sit on it and twirl and spin and play. And as an adult, I recently, fairly recently, discovered pole fitness. And people would be like, “Ha-ha. What’s that? It’s not about being sexy”. You know, it’s like, “No. I feel like I’m seven years old and I’m twirling around on a pole and I’m free and it’s fun”.
Host: It sounds very difficult, though.
Laura: Oh, it’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done. (laughing)
Host: I think you need a lot of strength, possibly upper body strength for the pole?
Laura: Yes, and a ton of core strength, too, so you can find your body in space.
Host: It sounds very, very difficult. (laughing) I’m amazed that you know, how people do that. It’s just amazing to see. Laughing out loud, that could be tough especially when there's so much to deal with in life. And then you know, for example, the events of the last couple of months and this week don't make it any easier. How do you suggest people “Laugh Out Loud”?
Laura: Laughter is so healing. And I want to be clear that it’s not about trivializing, you know, somebody else’s pain or making fun of somebody, but laughter is very healing. And most humans will either default into sobbing or laugher and it’s a cathartic release. And I don’t know about you, but I’d rather default into laughter and take some of the pressure off that way than having a complete meltdown. And you know, there is so much going on right now, and without trivializing, that is something that we can laugh about because we don’t have any control over this and it could get much worse. And the only thing we’ve got is that perspective, that humor, that laughter that, “Okay, let’s look at something that makes us happy”. It could be a funny cat video. You know, a toddler learning how to walk. It could be an old slapstick movie. Let’s give ourselves that release, that release of anxiety so we can move ahead and actually maybe create change instead of falling into complete despair and complete depression and then creating no change.
Host: I’d like to confess that I always made fun of people who watched cat videos. And, you know, they’re an easy target like, “Haha! Their internet is full of cat videos”. But I'll admit to you that recently I have been watching a lot of cat and dog videos and animal videos. And whenever somebody posts something on Twitter or Facebook, I make it a point to stop and watch and it really does make me feel good. And I’m like, “Maybe I shouldn’t have made fun of all those people like this cat video”. There's something to the cat videos. There’s something there.
Laura: (laughing) There is, and I love that you said that because, yes, it’s so true. We need that break, we need that release. Our minds can only take so much.
Host: And this is the tough part. This is something that I would probably have difficulty with. I don't know about other people. Maybe you've experienced people having difficulty with “Accept Unconditionally” and “Navigate the Negative”. How do you suggest people do that?
Laura: Oh, it is so difficult. Accept Unconditionally is really where the magic happens though, when you can finally start accepting not only yourself, but for everybody else unconditionally. Because then it lets you off the hook and you no longer have to control other people. Because spoiler alert, we can't control other people anyway. We just think that we can.
Host: Oh no, don’t say that. I want to control other people. (laughing)
Laura: Think about the antics we go through sometimes to control other people. I say this, they’re going to do this.
Laura: If I wear this, they’re going to do that.
Laura: It’s crazy.
Host: Yes, yes. I’m thinking more about, you know, kids and, “Oh, you need to do this, you need to do that”. You’ve got kids who are in high school, college now?
Host: And I bet you had some difficulty, you know, accepting them unconditionally as they are?
Laura: Yes. You know, it’s interesting, especially as they grow. They’re in college and they grow up and move away because they do become their own person. And it’s hard sometimes to back out and be, how do I parent and how do I continue to consult and be, you know, an adviser when I can’t control their decisions. I can’t say ‘you will rent this apartment' or ‘you will take this job'.
Laura: Yes, but I have found I am so much more functional and helpful when I do completely release that control because I’m free to say I love for who you are. I don’t have to like the choice that you make but it’s not up to me to control them.
Host: How about the last part of FLAUNT! That is ‘Trusting Your Truth”. Can you explain that in detail?
Laura: Oh, absolutely. We all have an inner truth. We all know who we are. And it’s crazy because we can’t really express fully who we are to other people. You can’t look at somebody and say, “Oh, you’re an 8.5 on the epic scale” and you love this person for a value of 6. There’s all this inner emotional world that nobody can see by looking at us. And we can try to explain to people, “This is what I’m passionate about. This is what I feel deeply about. This is me”, but words are so limiting. And even if we could express we are perfect to other people, it doesn’t mean that they’re going to get that. It doesn’t mean that they’re going to understand it. So, in truth, we are all vastly alone. We are all vastly isolated. And we need to trust our feelings, our integrity, our passion, our thoughts. We need to tune in to that piece of us. It doesn’t have to be what you call that, you know, your soul, your essence, your inner wisdom or whoever. We need to trust that part of ourselves because we are all going to age. We will get physical injuries. We will be in better shape or worse shape. We could lose limbs, we could lose jobs or houses. We could lose our country, we could lose this world. What we have inside is our truth and our truth is the only thing that remains unchanged. And when we validate ourselves from our truth, when we rely on our truth, when we connect our truth, no matter what happens to our physical body or to our relationships or to the world around us, we will always have that anchor placed. We will always know who we are and we will always be okay because we are alive and the only thing that’s unchanged and that is our truth.
Host: And this is what you talk about in your book FLAUNT! which is available on your website loracheadle.com, Target, Walmart and Amazon – wherever you can find a book. And it's part of your program as well, which includes several other things to sparkle meditation. Is that it?
Host: An e-book. You got the book bundle. What else does it include?
Laura: It includes so many different things. It’s something that whenever you are faced with a crisis point, whenever the rag has been pulled out from under you, whether it’s, you know, the virus or myself, I am a survivor of infidelity. We need different things to ground us. We need something physical, we need something mental, emotional and we need something spiritual. So, the hypnosis or the meditations that I use, that I give people help ground you on an intellectual level, it helps change the way you think. I do a lot of the physical activities, whether it’s yoga or I do like the virtual burlesque classes where you’re releasing all of the stuff that’s on you. It connects you into your physicality so you’re reminded that, “Yes, I am a human. I got this body and I could move”. And then that truth, that’s kind of that spiritual piece and then again it doesn’t matter what your beliefs are but it’s reconnecting you to something that’s bigger than yourself to that unchanged part. So yes, everything on my website and its L-O-R-A by the way. I spell my name a little bit differently. It really reminds you of who you are in the body, in mind, and in spirit so you can take that next step forward and become well and become healthy. So, you’re not just focused on, “Oh, my biceps look like this but everything else is falling apart”. (laughing) Because we are multi-faceted.
Host: Now, that’s a precursor to your book. Again it’s loracheadle.com. L-O-R-A, Cheadle, C-H-E-A-D-L-E dot com. Thanks for sharing that with us but you’ve been a fitness instructor since forever.
Laura: (laughing) 1988.
Host: (laughing) I’ve got a lot of questions for you about fitness and well-being, which is what the podcast is about. Now, how have you lived your life in terms of healthiness and well-being? What is defined as being healthy for you?
Laura: Being healthy for me is really how I feel. Of course, it's nice to look good. Of course, it's nice to fit in clothes and be strong and all of that.
Laura: But really, wellness and well-being are how I feel. It’s done when I wake up – it’s really pain-free. You know of course we’re going to have an ache in the knee or the big toe or something like that. But do I wake up with vitality? Do I wake up with a level of excitement and energy about facing my day? Am I able to move my body and stretch and breathe deeply and just feel well-being flow throughout my whole body? And that’s what wellness is for me.
Host: And how do you go about achieving that?
Laura: I love to dance. For me, I love traditional fitness. Obviously that's why I’ve taught it for so long. But for me, I achieve it often through dance, whether I intentionally put on a song that I like or I just hear a song that comes on, you know, as I’m in a store or on the radio. I will just stand up and start moving. And of course, if I’m alone I like to break into a full-fledged dance but if I’m at the store or in public I can just shake a little bit to the beat. To me, it’s just that movement. It’s just that moment of joy, of getting out of my head and out of the environment and into my body and feeling the music pump through me and feeling my heart rate increase a little bit. And just moving.
Host: Is that your favorite type of exercise? Is that what you love to do?
Laura: I love to dance.
Host: Alright, okay. (laughing)
Laura: Yes. But I also love lifting and, you know, really pushing myself and busting out mountains. There’s nothing that I don’t love except swimming. I don’t love swimming. (laughing)
Host: Okay. Now, here's a question. Since you’ve been teaching fitness for a while, there are different fads that come and go. Like for example, the Jane Fonda workouts were huge, then there was high step and low step, then you notice different videos you can buy on VCR cassettes and the TV morning shows used to have a different type, and then there’s Zumba, this and yoga. They changed. Fitness regimes change, the workouts change. How have you seen them change and are exercises basically the same or are they actually different now than they used to be?
Laura: Oh, that’s a really good question. They are different. They are different in the modality but I think the ultimate goal of all fitness programs is to allow you to drop out of your head, to drop out of the future, worrying about things in the future, to release the past and absolutely be in your body in the present moment. And I think that’s why they have to change. We get used to things. I do hypnotherapy. As a hypnotherapist, behavior that you do over and over becomes subconscious behavior. If you have taken a high-low step class for six months to years, it becomes subconscious behavior.
Laura: And you no longer have to think about it. So then as you’re stepping, you can start worrying. What are my kids doing? What is my spouse doing? What does my body look like? What is my boss doing? And it’s no longer creating that sense of wellness. So, I think it’s important for physical activities and trends to keep popping up because then it challenges our brain to have to learn something new again. And then we become fully engaged in the activity and we’re able to let the future go and we’re able to let the past go and we’re able to stay in the moment, get into our bodies. And of course, develop new muscles, develop strength in a different way, but I think most importantly it’s the mental component that, we need that full focus. That’s why it’s important to keep trying new things.
Host: Because a lot of people are focused on their fitness but just can’t get into the groove of things. How can we incorporate exercise in our weekly schedules, which can vary from doing absolutely nothing at all to being very, very busy in our careers with our families, with our kids?
Laura: A couple of different ways. The first and most important is to find something that you love. Like I mentioned, I don’t love swimming. If I had to get up and go to the pool every day, I don’t care how many tips and tricks you told me about, I don’t want to do it because I don’t enjoy it.
Laura: So, the most important thing is honoring yourself. If you love weights, do it. If you love running, do it. If you haven't found anything that you love, that’s why “find your fetishes” is important. Get out there and start practicing and start experimenting and see what you love. And then once you find something that you love, A, it’s easier to stick with, but then B, tie it to something in your day. If you can tie, if you just love doing push-ups or strengtheners, tie that to brushing your teeth in the morning. Have a pair of hand weights there and do some weight work for five minutes before you brush your teeth. If you come home at the same time every single day from work or you stop working, do something at that moment so then it does become part of your schedule and you’ll be looking forward to it all day because you love it.
Host: That is great advice. I wouldn’t have thought of that, incorporating exercise into our mundane daily activities and I like the first step, find your fetish. That could possibly work with people. And how you explained it earlier on, you know, going back towards your childhood, figure out what you love to do and have fun with, good work for you in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, even your 60s, 70s even, right?
Laura: Oh, exactly. Exactly. Because we all have fun. We all enjoy something. And think about recess, kids are always running around during recess.
Host: Oh, yes. For sure.
Laura: Even if your fitness is going to your backyard and running around and rolling on the grass, perfect. (laughing)
Host: (laughing) Exactly. It works as a great way to put it because you think fitness and you like, “Oh, I need to focus on my fitness and my health”. People automatically think, “Okay, gym. We have to find a gym” and it is a process. There's a lot of steps to it, you know, finding a place that you like, many things.
Laura: Oh, yes.
Host: And even just the act of actually going there, you know, you might go there for a month and, you know, relax a little bit. It's difficult.
Host: And these days gyms are closed so that brings me to my next question. What's the best way, I know you expanded on this a little bit right now, but what's the best way to work out at home?
Laura: The best way to work out at home is to call it what I like to call it, joyful movement. What kind of joyful movement do you want to do today? Everybody listening to this right now can tune in to their body and can have an answer. Everybody right now can say, “God! I’ve got to get my heart rate up. I just want to move. I’m so frustrated and I want to burn it off somehow”. Or they might say, “I’m achy. I’ve been sitting, I’ve got to stretch” or they might say, “Ï feel disempowered, I feel frustrated. I want to get some heavyweight and just be like (funny sound)”. Ask yourself, ask your body, “What do I need? Do I need to burn it out? Do I need to calm it down? Do I need to stretch it out?” and then find that joyful movement for you. It could literally be, you don’t need weights. You can be pushing on walls. You can have your hands under the counter and be lifting up and squeezing hard. You can just squat on the toilet seat. That’s one of my favorite exercises that I tell people. Squat and stand up ten times off your toilet seat. Everybody has a toilet – you can do that. There’s so many fun, creative ways to have joyful movement at home. And when we release the concept of “should”, I should work out, I’ve got to work out at home. Oh, my gosh. Now I’m trapped, I can’t do this. Joyful movement! Find something fun and joyful. Ask yourself what you want and then go play and do it.
Host: The last couple of days, I haven’t been motivated to get up off my couch and now speaking to you I’m motivated to do something because you made it sound simple and fun and I think that's a very important message you just gave to us. Thank you.
Laura: You’re welcome. It is fun and it is simple.
Host: You have taught fitness for a long time and I have a lot of questions about, you know, why you got into this and all the people that you've trained over the years. But there's one thing that you mentioned in your biography and that is, you taught fitness while you were pregnant, while you had or you went through knee surgery, a broken toe and I was, you know, we haven’t touched upon that. If you have like a problem or physical issue or something that's gone wrong with you, usually we tend to just, okay, forget about fitness for a while until you heal. But it seems like you pushed through that. So how did you do that? I mean, how do you change your fitness routine if you’ve, for example, got a broken toe or you have knee surgery?
Laura: Right, right. It’s so important to be creative and again it’s about asking your body. When I was pregnant it still felt good to move. I did activities that felt good. When I broke my toe, I love moving and being on my feet and I couldn’t, and it was frustrating. But guess what? I have arms, I have a torso. I have, you know, my quads could work, I could pick my heel up, I just couldn’t put weight on that foot.
Laura: But I have a whole body. There’s a lot that you can do with the whole rest of your body. And I’m not going to lie, there were times where I would fall into victim-mode and think, “Oh, I can’t do it”, but then be curious and be creative. How can I sit on my chair and do side bends and touch the floor? And how can I dance with my upper body? And I was laughing. I got into “hairography”.
Laura: How can I throw my hair around?
Host: Sounds interesting. (laughing)
Laura: And bounce my head on my shoulders and it became fun. And it became a challenge. And it’s all about opening your eyes to the endless possibilities that are truly in front of us all the time.
Host: Fantastic. Fantastic. While you’ve been teaching fitness, walk us through like one of your classes? What do you teach these days?
Laura: Again, it’s been a creative journey. Now I’m teaching some things outside and on Zoom. I always like to do a warm-up that includes some kind of meditation, some kind of a check in with your body so you know what’s going to feel good for you today. And then I give people the permission to do whatever they need to do in class. If they want to be leaping through the air, perfect. If they want to stay grounded, perfect. If they want to take some time out to stretch, perfect. Then I take people through. I’m really into the HIIT, the High-intensity Interval Training right now.
Host: Okay, yes.
Laura: A whole variety of options, upper body, lower body, strength, cardio. And then I like to end again with that mediation piece of, what did you let go of? How did it feel to be in the moment? How did you nourish and nurture your body through our time together? And now going forward, how do you feel? And really integrating that intellectual piece of, why am I doing this? And how does it feel because again if it doesn’t feel good and if we’re not having fun, we’re not going to do it.
Host: It’s true. And your approach seems to go beyond just, “Alright, follow this. We’re going to do our squats, we’re going to do push-ups, we’re going to do the standard exercise routine”. There’s a lot more to these questions that you ask and that’s amazing.
Laura: Yes. And my classes, they usually have people ranging in age from like 25 to 75, and everybody can do the class because everybody is free to take the base movement. Here are the squats, here’s the jacks. You make them harder or you make them easier and I will show you some options if you don’t know. And if this doesn’t feel good, ask me and I’ll help you come up with an alternative. And again that laughter piece, we laugh at each other. You know, I have people who have a broken shoulder, the clavicle has been broken, a rotator cuff injury. When we laugh, no, I look silly. I can’t do this but I’m still showing up, I’m still present, and I’m still in this community and I’m still feeling good and that’s what matters.
Host: Yes. So, I should have asked this. These days you're probably holding classes on Zoom. How's that going for you?
Laura: It’s going really well and next week I’m starting classes at a park. We can do some social distancing classes in the park. Zoom is great, I just honestly do miss face-to-face and connecting with people.
Host: That’s definitely a disadvantage when it comes to Zoom, you’re not face-to-face. And you feel that there's something missing, it’s just not right? Although video conferencing is, people touted as a good enough solution to meeting face-to-face?
Laura: You know, I think it’s great. I do a lot of my coaching and a lot of my work on Zoom and on video conferencing and I think it’s fantastic and I think it’s great. I think you can develop a lot of camaraderies, but I do… And this is going to be hard for me, I’m a toucher, I’m a hugger and I just miss that level of human interaction. But if we have to do this, even for another year, I think it’s going to be fine. I think it’s going to be fine. And the one disadvantage of video conferencing is people can be more easily distracted. It’s easy to have your phone up and to be ignoring whoever is on the screen, whereas when you’re face-to-face with somebody you do have to be more present.
Host: Okay, here’s a question. I think you’re the perfect person to ask this question, okay? This is a little personal and I want to ask a personal question because a lot of people might be very afraid to ask this question. My body has gone through a lot of changes. It's been, you know, in a very good physical condition where, you know, I’ve got no potbelly or anything. But these days, I would define myself as a little soft, maybe a little pudgy, maybe a little lumpy. But how can I love my body?
Laura: Oh, I love that. And let me just come out and say that, too. I’m much softer and much lumpier. (laughing) Even I went 12 weeks ago and that is okay because that goes right back to trusting in your truth. Who are you? If loving your body is contingent upon being in shape, being thin, being muscular, what’s going to happen when you’re 90? What’s going to happen when you’re in a car accident and something horrific happens and your entire leg is crushed?
Laura: What’s going to happen? Oh, my gosh! When we trust in our truth and we are firmly connected to the quality of the person we are inside. It doesn’t matter if you have grey hair, which we all will. It doesn’t matter if you’re 20 lbs. or 50 lbs. overweight, you still value yourself for who you are inside. And the word I use – I call it naked self-worth. It’s having your self-worth based on who you are naked. Who you are naked from your body even. (laughing) My self-worth is based on who I am, not how I look, not for what I do for other people. And like right now, I can look in the mirror and say, “This isn’t the body that I’m used to. This isn’t the body that I’m necessarily proud at the moment, but it’s okay and I love myself enough, that I am going to make the effort to fix it”. And if I don’t, that’s okay, too. That is totally okay. I am still an incredible person of high standards and great integrity and I love passionately and fully and that’s okay. It’s when we don’t love our bodies that we don’t take care of them. And that’s some backward thinking. So many people are like, “I hate my body”. Well, you’re not going to take care of something that you hate.
Host: That’s right.
Laura: Yes. Let’s start loving yourself and finding that naked self-worth and trusting in your truth. And then suddenly you’ll realize, “I am so worthy that I am going to commit to fitness. I’m so worthy that I’m going to make the effort for me because I am worth it”.
Host: I strongly believe that everyone is looking for a better version of themselves. And during this, is it important to set goals? And if you do, how do you set them? How do you go about achieving the goals that you set yourself?
Laura: Yes. It’s always important to set goals, but it’s also very important to realize the commercialized version of goals is not realistic.
Laura: Especially now, with everything going on in our world, we can't predict what's going to happen tomorrow, let alone 90 days from now. Goals, the best way to set goals, and the best way to have that personal growth is to have micro, micro goals in every moment. Sometimes a day is even too long. My goal through all of this has been to feel my best in just about every moment, to do things for me that truly do nourish and nurture me. Sometimes eating the chocolate cake might feel really good at the moment and that’s totally okay. And other times if I’m really tuning in to myself I’ll say no. I’m eating this out of absolute frustration. So, set goals for the moment. Set goals for your day, set goals for your afternoon, set goals for your morning, and constantly be checking in. Choose to do something every morning. We tend to eat three meals a day.
Laura: So, I tend to try to tie things to three meals a day. What can I do in the morning, at lunch, and at dinner time that will nourish me? It might be journaling for two seconds. It might be meditating for 30 seconds. It might be standing up and stretching to the sky and touching my toes. All for those 30 seconds bursts of making yourself feel good will lead to something better. If I’ve stretched, I might say, “Hey, I need to go out and take a walk” and then I’ve done a lot of good for myself. So, set the goal to check in with yourself three times a day or once a day and ask yourself what you need. That’s enough.
Host: Oh, that’s wonderful advice. That’s great. You know, it sounds a lot less daunting than setting yourself a huge stretch goal for a whole year or six months. And then, you know, if something goes wrong and you don't get to it, you kind of feel demotivated and disappointed and then you might give up altogether, but the way you explain it, it’s fantastic. Once again your book is available on loracheadle.com, that's L-O-R-A-C-H-E-A-D-L-E dot com and your blog, your podcast is also available there. The book is available on Amazon, Walmart, Target. Laura, thank you so much for spending the time to talk to us on the Lifelong Wellness podcast today.
Laura: You’re welcome. Thank you so much.